Hillary Bloody Neo-Conservative Clinton

Clinton looks in danger of following the fateful path of the neocons

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_ id=8495

There aren't many elected officials in Washington who want to throw the gauntlet down on Iran more than Hillary Clinton. The New York senator believes the president has been too soft on the militant Islamic country, claiming that Bush has played down the threat of a nuclear-armed Tehran.

"I believe we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations," Clinton told an audience at Princeton University on Jan. 18. "I don't believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines. ... We cannot and should not - must not - permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," Clinton added. "In order to prevent that from occurring ... we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations."

Sen. Clinton has attempted to out-hawk Dubya on other foreign policy matters, as well. From Iraq to Palestine, the Democratic Party's leading lady argues that the current administration has not done enough to combat the threat of terrorism. And like so many other neoconservatives (yes, admit it, Hillary is a bloody neocon), Clinton will never admit that the United States has fallen right into the grasp of al-Qaeda by attempting to fight stateless terror by walloping sovereign Mideast countries

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid= 8515

Richard Mellon Scaife, the neocon billionaire philanthropist from Pittsburgh, is just wild about Hillary, who agrees with him that we need to rejuvenate the military and refocus it on Russia, China, and South America. For starters.

And to think that we used to laugh when Murray Rothbard joked that we should just invade all the other countries of the world at once and get it over with, once and for all.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/ar chives/020276.html

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, said that the U.S. "should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel. Of course I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States, but I would do the same with other countries in the region."

(The headline in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: "Clinton vows 'massive' U.S. retaliation if Iran attacks Israel.")

But more on that umbrella...

That umbrella of deterrence would be offered, Clinton suggested, in order to deter other nations in the region "from feeling that they have to acquire nuclear weapons. You can't go to the Saudis or the Kuwaitis or UAE and others who have a legitimate concern about Iran and say: 'Well, don't acquire these weapons to defend yourself' unless you're also willing to say we will provide a deterrent backup and we will let the Iranians know that, yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation, but so would an attack on those countries that are willing to go under this security umbrella and forswear their own nuclear ambitions."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/04/clintons-umbrel.html

The evidence is mounting that Hillary Rodham Clinton is a neo-conservative no better than George W. Bush.  Her hawkish foreign policy of American exceptionalism, imperial expansionism and giddiness for the use military force makes her a threat to world stability.

Saudi Arabia is NOT our ally no matter what she says.  It is just another excuse to go to war with Iran.  Iran is not a threat to the United States and is just another reason to expand the war.



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silly nonsense (2.00 / 7)


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:21:13 AM EST

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Silly?

Silly is allowing us to continue on this path of self destruction!


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:22:12 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Bloody Neo-Conservative Clinton (1.00 / 3)

And understand that Israel is at best an erstwhile ally that practices state sponsored racism.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:21:35 AM EST

Re: Hillary Bloody Neo-Conservative Clinton (2.00 / 3)

ah, more Hope<sup>TM</sup> and Change<sup>TM</sup>. and i've barely had coffee.


by campskunk on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:30:11 AM EST

Re: Hillary Bloody Neo-Conservative Clinton (1.00 / 2)

whistle past the graveyard


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:37:00 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Bloody Neo-Conservative Clinton (none / 0)

Hope<sup>TM</sup>


by campskunk on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:26:16 PM EST
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Ya know... (2.00 / 1)

...her remarks were strategically incoherent, but that doesn't make her a neo-con. Words mean stuff. And neo-con doesn't mean what you say it does.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:30:20 AM EST

Re: Ya know... (1.00 / 1)

some have always described her has a "neolib"

But it looks like a neolib and neocon are one and the same.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:33:30 AM EST
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No, they're not. (2.00 / 0)

Neo-liberalism is an economic policy approach focused on de-regulation, lower tax rates, and laissez faire. Neo-conservatism is a foreign policy philosophy that holds that U.S. power should be used to affect the domestic institutions of other nations, and that our power needs to be preserved against any and all challengers, if need be, pre-emptively.

The irony is that Clinton's hare-brained scheme doesn't really mesh with the U.S. national interest or advance democratic governance, and probably dilutes rather than strengthens U.S. power. So it's a stupid idea for a number of reasons, but among these are not that it's a neo-con idea. It's not. It's just a stupid idea.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:47:34 AM EST
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Re: Ya know... (none / 0)

Neocon and neoliberal are not the same.  Not even close.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:17:44 AM EST
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Go USA Go USA Go USA (1.00 / 1)

Security umbrella. How about diplomacy umbrella for a change.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:35:09 AM EST

Re: Go USA Go USA Go USA (none / 0)

Diplomacy to a Neocon Hawk is done the Reagan way, by swinging dicks (missiles are phallic symbols) around and threatening to blow up a third world country - just because


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:48:47 AM EST
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Re: Go USA Go USA Go USA (none / 0)

Ah. Like a childish bully you mean.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:54:50 AM EST
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Troll diary (2.00 / 6)


I am sick of the disrespect shown to Sen.Clinton by many on Dailykos, and now, too often, here. You aren't winning hearts and minds.
by SoCalVet on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:41:25 AM EST

Ugh.... (2.00 / 4)

You know, when you use statements like this:

"I don't believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines. ... We cannot and should not - must not - permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," Clinton added. "In order to prevent that from occurring ... we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations."

...to advance your argument that Hillary is a neo-con, you willingly forfeit your credibility. I'm not sure whether you're aware of this, but sanctions do not equal war. Not exactly a hawkish proposal.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:53:08 AM EST

Re: Ugh.... (none / 0)

Her proposal is pretty much strategically incoherent in my book - if your goal is counter-proliferation, there are better ways to go about it than to gather a country's neighbors into a military alliance - but I really wish people would learn to be a little bit more precise in their terminology. Neo-conservatism is a real political and philosophical challenge to Progressives and the American foreign-policy consensus, and it doesn't help to apply the label to ideas that shouldn't be included under that umbrella.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:09:35 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Bloody Neo-Conservative Clinton (none / 0)

sen clinton is speaking to her constituency and her biggest contributors.


by hueydixiepearl on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:03:56 AM EST

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She ignored the NIE report on Iraq and now she wants to ignore the NIE report on Iran. How can we support a candidate who doesn't believe what the intelligence agencies are telling us. That is exactly what the bush administration has done for the past seven years. How can we trust someone who wants to continue the Bush/Cheney foreign affairs policies?


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:08:45 AM EST


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