MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef?

3.2 million members across America - from carpenters to stay-at-home moms to business leaders - we work together to realize the progressive promise of our country. MoveOn is a service - a way for busy but concerned citizens to find their political voice in a system dominated by big money and big media.

Started by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. Although neither had experience in politics, they shared deep frustration with the partisan warfare in Washington D.C. and the ridiculous waste of our nation's focus at the time of the impeachment mess. On September 18th 1998, they launched an online petition to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation."

http://www.moveon.org/about.html

"Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fr emon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.ht ml

But in public she said something different.  Hillary Clinton's closing remarks during MoveOn.org Political Action's unprecedented Virtual Town Hall meeting on Iraq -- where seven presidential candidates answered questions from MoveOn's 3.2 million members -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iFtHoNu-2Pc

Another online group that Hillary has problems with is Code Pink.  Why?  Maybe because of this...

1. In defending her 2002 war authorization vote, Hillary says that given the information she had at the time it was the right way to vote. How well informed was Hillary? It has been reported that Hillary did not even read the 90-page, classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq.

2. At the time of the war authorization vote in 2002, Senator Levin proposed an amendment that would have required a U.N. Security Council Resolution for any use of force against Iraq and would have required the President to come back to Congress for approval. If, as Hillary stated, she never intended the war authorization vote as a go ahead for attack--but rather as a leverage point for the president in getting weapons inspectors into Iraq, why did she vote no on the amendment that would have guaranteed U.N. authorization and Congressional approval?

3. Hillary has said that the Iraqi government must meet certain "benchmarks" or risk losing funding for its security forces and reconstruction. Conditions include: the Government of Iraq assumes greater responsibility for security; and an equitable distribution of the oil revenues of Iraq. Isn't this a classic case of blaming the victims? The U.S. armed forces, arguably the best-trained and equipped military in the world, have barely managed to secure a third of Baghdad's neighborhoods. How much better can the U.S.-installed Iraqi government do? The current Iraqi hydrocarbons legislation is more about distributing Iraqi oil equitably among multi-national corporations than among the Iraqi people.

4. In a recent Democratic debate Hillary said that she believes that the United States is safer now than it was before the 9/11/01 attacks. Given the fact that terrorist attacks worldwide have increased 26% since the start of 2006, how can Hillary justify this claim? According to a CBS News poll taken a little less than a year ago, 84 percent of Americans say they feel less safe or only as safe as they did before 9/11.

5. In a March 2007 interview with reporters from the New York Times, Hillary predicted a "remaining military as well as political mission" in Iraq; she stated that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and support the Iraqi military. Doesn't this imply that there will be permanent bases and American boots on the ground in Iraq far beyond the 2008 elections if Hillary becomes president?

http://www.listenhillary.org/article.php ?list=type&type=115

MoveOn and Code Pink are the Democratic base.  Why does the base and the Clintons not get along?  What is the beef?



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I'm tempted to Join (none / 0)

If she slanders the base like that there must be something positive with moveon.


by parahammer on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:31:41 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Probably because Hillary left the Democratic Party long ago to join "The Clinton Party".

Calling a democratic candidate for president "elitist", slamming MoveOn.org, scare tactics in attack ads,...

What's next? Slamming the ACLU?


by smoothmedia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:33:06 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Maybe because she really doesn't like the Democratic Party.  The DLC was formed to remake the party in the Republican mold.  Of course she wouldn't like challenges to the monarchy.

A year or so ago I remember her telling the DLC that they had to figure a way to deal with the "antiwar fringe" of the party.

Fringe, anyone?


by Garret on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:49:04 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 2)

Moveon IS NOT the Democratic Party.

The sooner everyone realizes this, the better off well be.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:53:54 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

The NRA isn't the GOP, but you don't see McCain trashing them do you?

MoveOn.org has many of the most hardcore democrats around, and many of the most politically active and aware. Clinton doesn't have to agree with them, but she shouldn't dismiss them, let alone attack them with a false GOP talking point (Rove's "they opposed war in afganistan" thing)


by smoothmedia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:20:27 AM EST
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right (none / 0)

but its okay to trash ~3 millions progressives?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:57:25 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

The final straw for the grass/netroots in regards to Hillary was when at last year's YearlyKos she said that "Lobbyists were people, too."


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:58:38 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 0)

Well, they are. I personally know good progressive lobbyists who work towards positive changes in health care and education. I don't see what's wrong with that statement.


by babbitt on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:29:12 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

name one


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:31:05 AM EST
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Some lobbyists ARE progressive (none / 0)

Labor unions lobby Washington. The ACLU lobbies Washington.

Seriously, not ALL lobbyists are corrupt corporate bastards.

When I was 18 years old I had an internship with the ACLU and lobbied Congress to pass the Racial Justice Act, which tried to redress racial discrimination in death sentencing.

Obviously, Obama is speaking of industry lobbyists and not progressive issue lobbyists. But still, the point is true: not all lobbyists are bastards.


by elrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:15:57 AM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

I could name some specific individuals but I doubt they wish to have their names spread across a partisan blog.

The ones I know of best work with the National Congress of American Indians and they lobby on the many issues of federal governance that impact Native American communities: land, royalties (Cobell), housing, schools, roads, economic development, information technology, etc.


"We live entangled of webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:45:26 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

I have voted Democratic since I could vote in 1978.  I joined moveon.org in the 90's.  But recently I  had to quit them.  I have been becoming increasingly frustrated that on issues moveon had become a distraction, because they come out with ridiculous things like the Betrayus ad, and the Republicans are able to change the subject from the issues to - "those radical Democrats."

The are going to be the ruin of the Democratic Party.  I don't what them speaking for me.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:52:34 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

I signed on because of the Betray Us ad.

Finally someone stood up to the jingoism that makes up the American political landscape.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:59:56 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

MoveOn and Code Pink are not the base of the Democratic party.
People keep mistaking the netroots as the base of the party, when it's actually only a small but vocal part of it. I love the netroots, after all, they got me more involved in politics than I had been previously, but to consider them the base ignores the tens of millions of Democrats that don't post on or read blogs. Even Daily Kos only generates a  few hundred thousand page views a day in the peak of the primary.
MoveOn lost many supporters after their Patraeus blunder and Code Pink's embarrassing antics have made them a minor player and hardly mentioned in the press these days.
by skohayes on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:06:53 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

I go to my local Democratic Party meetings and dinners.  These are folks who make up the Democrats on the school board, city council, County Commission, and State Reps and Senate.  I can promise you most of those folks don't know who Markos is or what Daily Kos is.  The only thing they know about moveon is that they are frustrated that their agenda is distracted from by their antics.

It is interesting that the blogs are nearly 100% against Clinton, but Obama has not put her away yet.

These folks are not the base, but they want to be.  Lord save us if they every succeed.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:11:55 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 3)

The establishment versus the activists.

You have described the establishment, the party insiders and entrenched power structure.  Those people like the status quo because it suits them

The netroots are the activists.  These are people that have been motivated to change the status quo, to break the machine and to move this country forward.

I'm an activist.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:18:07 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

I would call them activists too.  They have been getting off their asses for years, getting involved in the community, keeping the local party alive, working the local events, stuffing envelopes and giving money to candidates, trying to make the changes they believe in.

You seem intent in belittling that.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:27:00 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

And where have they gotten us in all those years of hard work?

The political establishment has sat idly by as this country has been pushed to the edge of the cliff.

A war that is bankrupting us, an eco-environment collapsing, and a world that hates us,

Thanks for all the hard work, establishment


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:33:38 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

It's not the "establishment" that was the problem.  It was all the Democratic consultants that couldn't run a campaign against the Republicans.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:05:18 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

So, you want to put these same folks back in charge?  To continue their dominance of suckage?

Clinton has spent over 30 million dollars on those Democratic Consultants that you disparage - and look where it's gotten her.  And you want more of this?


by Cycloptichorn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:00:11 PM EST
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you are dead on!!! (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:01:15 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

No he hasn't put her away yet, simply because there are still about 600 delegates to be distributed. What he has done, however, is build an insurmountable lead. It's only a matter of time.


by vermontprog on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:03:57 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

This whole thing is so typical of Clinton.

When a group or person supports Obama, they insult them or put them down.

I've never seen Obama do that when a group or individual endorses Clinton.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:07:53 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

Aside from those rural folks that cling to their guns, xenophobia, religion, and ideas on free trade.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:13:37 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

Those people are called conservative Republicans that will vote for John McCain in a heartbeat over Hillary Rodham Clinton


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:19:07 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

That was not an attempt to insult or diminish them, although it may have been misinterpreted by some as such.

Also, he was not attempting to make excuses as to why those voters support Hillary (they don't).

So, you've made a poor comparison here.


by smoothmedia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:34:00 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

Moveon.org is not the base of the Democratic party. if it were it would have remained neutral, calling out each candidate when they were incorrect, and praising them when they were. Instead they endorsed one candidate and expected the other to just roll over. How arrogant!


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:21:02 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 2)

As one who became involved with MoveOn in 1998 I can say it was never meant to be an advocacy group for any candidate during a primary.  Hillary actually went to bat for MoveOn in the Senate when everyone including John Kerry condemned the Betrayus ad.  Senator Obama was missing in action on the issue once again saying it wasn't important.  I wouldn't blame Hillary for running her own 'Betrayme Ad' against MoveOn.  I want nothing more to do with MoveOn because I don't support either candidate.  My partner was sending them $50 a month but quit after they endorsed Obama as she is a Clinton supporter.


by orionwest on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:23:05 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

The endorsement came for a SUPERMAJORITY of MoveOn members, remember?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:26:15 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

Well, soon they will have a super super majority of Obama folks, because people like me are quitting.  When I quite moveon, they gave me a list of things to choose from to indicate why I was leaving.  Their endorsement of Obama was one of the list items.  They are hoping their endorsement will bring more supporters and money, betting that it will be a net gain instead of a net loss.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:31:20 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 2)

It was not a super majority but actually a very small percentage of members.  Regardless MoveOn has marginalized itself by endorsing during a primary. Also why the hell would I send money to Moveon instead of Obama directly?


by orionwest on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:32:11 AM EST
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MoveOn endorsed Dean (none / 0)

I don't think that's true. They endorsed Howard Dean in 2004. In fact, their endorsement of Howard Dean was what put him on the political map in mainstream circles.


by elrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:18:53 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (1.00 / 1)

I have always voted Democratic Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry( who voted for the war). But in the next election if Obama is the nominee I will not vote for him and I do not live in a rural area.
Some folks have blinders on, but this is worse than most folks think. Maybe it is a good thing McCain may only be serving one term as POTUS.
"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:25:05 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

McCain will serve two terms.

Romney will be is running mate and heir-in-waiting in another 8 years


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:27:53 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Well I hope there aren't too many people like me out there who will not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:30:10 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

You are in the minority of minorities


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:37:02 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

If that was meant as an insult I do take it as a compliment. Yes, I am a minority of minorities. I am an African American female with a doctoral degree who owns her own business and am supporting Sen. Clinton and will not vote for Sen. Obama if he wins the nomination. vote in FL to count, thereby ceding it to McCain in November.

Sometimes it only takes a few percent to make a huge difference. Sometimes less than a per cent will do. Your candidate should understand that since he doesn't want our

How's that for your assessment?


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:03:15 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

You know what is sad.  Someone a supposedly educated as you claim to turn her back on her own people.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:46:14 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

If I understand you correctly you are saying I should vote for Obama because he is black? Didn't MLK say not to judge people by the color of their skin? Obama turned the knife in his mentor when he challenged her in court in order to get her off the ballot so that he could run unopposed for the IL senate.

If a white person had said this you would call it racist. What do you call it when it comes from a black person Mr. X?


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:59:19 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Voting for John McCain over Barack Obama, I would call you an ignorant traitor.

Show some solidarity with your brothers and sisters and have some pride.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:16:01 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

Yes you will.

If you care about the future of this country you will.

Do you know how old Justice Stevens is?  I think he is 88.

I held my nose and voted for Bill Clinton and I don't have a whole lot of respect of New Democrats.

His presidency disappointed me (and not for the ridiculous infidelity issues) but what was my alternative?  Bush or Dole?

If you really are a Democrat, vote for the nominee.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:26:58 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

The fact is I am a registered Independent who has always voted Democrat, so I do have a choice whether or not I vote for any candidate.At this point I do think I can vote for McCain, but I am absolutely, positively sure that there is no circumstance under which I will vote for Obama in November.

The Republicans for a day and the many other tactics totally turned me off, especially the hitting of Clinton with the "do anything, say anything bit . . . he knows better, she fundraised and campaigned for him.
I could have voted for Biden or Dodd and initially I thought I would be happy with either Clinton or Obama even though I gave my full support to Clinton. He is not a different politician, he also is more of the same. I have passed the point of no return where voting for him is concerned.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:56:12 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

If you care about the future of this country on several issues, you won't be voting McCain.  And you know you won't.  So why all the bluster and bullshit?

If you're going to argue that McCain would be better for the country then Obama, then you are on the wrong website, and should go find some Republicans to hang out with.  I actually think that this would be the quickest way to get you to vote for Obama.


by Cycloptichorn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:03:24 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

You might have a PhD, but you're behaving like a low-information voter.

Compare the policy differences between McCain and either Clinton or Obama, and then explain to me why you would vote for the Republican.

Or maybe you enjoyed the type of politics displayed during the first half of the last debate.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:34:18 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Maybe I even enjoy the conference call that "the candidate of change"held on Clinton and Bosnia today. Sen. Obama speaks with forked tongue. I will not vote for him. Insults do not move me;they only strengthen my resolve not to vote for him.

Some of these comments have the elements of people who abuse others and then expect them to forgive and forget for the cause.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:53:47 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Wait.  

So you have a doctorate degree, but perceived insults from an anonymous poster on MyDD affect your decision to possibly not vote for Obama?

Wow.

Are you sure there aren't some policy issues you're considering?  I'd really like to hear them.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:18:18 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Thank God in the USA I have the right to either choose to vote or to choose not to vote. I can also choose to write in a candidate. When that curtain closes, if I choose to exercise my right to go to the polling booth, what I do is my business unless I choose to share it.

Thanks for trying to bully me into submission but it will not work.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:34:46 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Where were you when this was done to HRC for the last 15 month? I didn't see you screaming then.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:00:35 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

No Democrat would ever say it's a "good thing" for McCain to EVER be President.

What is wrong with you people, do issues even matter anymore?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:28:25 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

If I am not mistaken more of those Republicans who Obama openly courted to become Dems for a day voted for him in the primary. Most Democrats voted for HRC. Check out hte exit polls. Didn't he say he needed the Repubs in the GE also?


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:27:11 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

You are wrong.  Rush Limbaugh told Ohioan Republicans to get out and vote for Hillary Clinton.  This is well documented.  


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:29:35 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

You really need to check exit polls.  More Republicans are voting for Obama than Clinton.  More registered Dems are voting for Clinton than Obama.

Google can be your friend.

Bringing Limbaugh into it is blowing smoke.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:33:07 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

link?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:43:00 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

I have no desire to do lazy people's work for them.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:08:01 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

because you cannot prove your lie


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:48:05 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

You call me a liar, you can go fuck yourself.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:18:05 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

testy, aren't we?

Frustrations getting to you?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:02:59 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Go to CNN election Center exit polls.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:54:44 PM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

link?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:03:12 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Not in Mississippi. And I believe a lot of Texas Republicans crossed over for Limbaugh purposes.


by elrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:19:41 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

I know some Republicans in Texas through the Retriever Field Trials that I run with my dogs.  The are Republican to the core.  They went out and voted for Obama, because they are SCARED SHITLESS of a Hillary Presidency.

They vote Republican because they are rural folks that hunt and run field trials like me.  They are afraid of losing their guns and their sport.  I have long believed that the anti gun lobby and the anti hunting lobby are largely responsible for the trouble that Democrats have had for decades.  Democrats should support the whole constitution, not just the parts that suit them.  Same goes for Republicans.


by Dave B on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:44:18 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 2)

As a life-long democrat, I would have to say that moveon.org and code pink are definitely NOT the democratic base.  As long as people believe they are, we will keep losing (general) elections.  Our base consists of everyday people (working class, women, AAs, hispanics, young, old......), move on and code pink are a small part of the party, not the base.  


by AnnC on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:28:38 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

And the base (as you described them) have consistently come out for Obama.


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:38:07 AM EST
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If they have he'd be the nominee by now (none / 0)

Are you a Republican trying to stir up trouble?


by catfish1 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:43:15 AM EST
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Re: If they have he'd be the nominee by now (none / 0)

I'm a Black Afro-Carribean Liberal Activist in the MidWest


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:53:52 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Really?  IMO, other than AAs and young voters, the rest of the base (as I described them) are whats keeping Hillary in the race.  


by AnnC on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:37:07 AM EST
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What is Hillary's problem with code pink? (none / 0)

You didn't document what she said about Code Pink.


by catfish1 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:42:28 AM EST

Re: What is Hillary's problem with code pink? (none / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2c P8


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:51:39 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

heh! you guys need some pitchforks and torches.


by campskunk on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:52:35 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

The machine must be broken!


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:55:38 AM EST
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I HOPE she's against Code Pink (2.00 / 1)

I'm an avid Obama supporter, and as an active duty Soldier (who is against the Iraq war) I absolutely despise Code Pink.

Not everyone who protests the war does so constructively, and (sometimes) they do cross the threshold from simply being anti-Iraq war to being anti-military. Even the Daily Show bashes Code Pink and they are definitely progressive.

Code Pink does NOT represent the Democratic party. If they did we'd be in trouble.


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by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:13:07 AM EST

Re: I HOPE she's against Code Pink (none / 0)

I agree. I appreciate MoveOn, even if I disagree with them now and again. But I don't think much of Code Pink at all. I'm not sure if they're "anti-military" but I think they are definitely counter-productive.


by elrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:21:23 AM EST
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Re: I HOPE she's against Code Pink (none / 0)

"not sure if they're "anti-military""

I'm absolutely positive. But that's a side note.


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by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:04:04 AM EST
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Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

MoveOn.org and Code Pink are the Democratic base?

Yikes.  No wonder I feel so alienated from my party this election cycle.


by bobbank on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:32:21 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

The diarist is incorrect - moveOn & code pink are not the democratic base.

they are organizations but they are not the base.


by colebiancardi on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:10:42 AM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (2.00 / 1)

Code Pink bird dogs Clinton's appearances (that's their phrase) and tries to interrupt when she is speaking as often as possible. Here in LA, she was INVITED to speak to a group of environmentalists and they interrupted that presentation. I don't mind demonstrations, but when Democratic activists actually interrupt Democratic candidates speaking to Democratic voters who have invited them to speak on a specific issue - well, that's something else. Keep your demonstrations outside and your fine.

Move On supporters are engaging in intimidation at caucuses - clinton supporters are angry about how they're being treated by fellow caucusers. I've been involved in politics a long, long time - as have a lot of Clinton supporters - and the widespread harassment at caucuses on behalf of one candidate is a new phenomenon. We don't like it.

As for the Levin amendment, even people who voted against the authorization voted against Levin. Clinton offered a resolution that would have sunsetted the authorization, and forced the president to come back to congress in a year. That failed as well.

Clinton voted for the authorization because our only chance of stopping this war was allowing the disarmament process to be complete. Hans Blix wanted the authorization because coercive diplomacy was the only way he could get unfettered inspections from Hussein. It worked. Hussein threw open the doors in Iraq. Bush forced the inspectors to leave Iraq before their job was finished.

Clinton voted the only way she could to possibly avoid the war - there were no other options. Dems shared power in the Senate with Republicans and had only a one seat alliance that gave them the upper hand. We were losing the senate in three weeks (the Republicans gained four seats over us as I recall) and we knew it. Had the resolution not passed with the UN demands in it, it would have passed in January with the Republican majority with no support for inspections - that is the truth.

Bush was determined to go to war. Clinton moved to throw up the only impediment available - the chance for continued inspections and the disarming of Hussein.


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:05:16 PM EST

Re: MoveOn and Code Pink - What's Hillary's Beef? (none / 0)

Real Lincoln Chafee's book about the run up to the Iraq War


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:52:57 PM EST
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This is the nastiest site I've ever seen (none / 0)

not counting the Freepers, of course.  It sure doesn't make Clinton look good.

Who are you people who seem to enjoy casually sliming each other?  Just cause it's frustrating to lose doesn't mean you burn down the whole house.  

Or does it?


by Garret on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:01:19 PM EST


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