Restore the House of Clinton?

After the Bill Clinton presidency, the Democratic Party lost the White House, the Congress, the majority of the State House, state legislatures and was cast out into the political wilderness.  With unchecked Republican power we have seen the unraveling of America.

Why would we want a Restoration of the House of Clinton?

What was worse is what President Bill Clinton actually did do with those eight precious years in the White House?  

There were no health care initiatives.  

There were no campaign finance reforms or voting rights initiatives that would have prevented the 2000 fiasco.  

There were no landmark programs or anything of a legacy except a bubble economy and a Republican majority.

So, what did he accomplish?  

The Defense of Marriage Act, allowing states to refuse recognition of certain same-sex marriages, and defined marriage as between a male and female for purposes of federal law.

The Telecom Reform Act, eliminating major ownership restrictions for radio and television groups.

The Iraq Liberation Act, stating of policy of regime change in Iraq.

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, promising to "end welfare as we know it" but tinged with misogyny and racism (welfare queen) in its promotion.

The "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, discriminating against homosexuals in the military.

The North American Free Trade Agreement.

China Most Favored Nation trade agreement.

And much more. More inline with the Republicans than the Democrats.

It was Bill Clinton's policies that gave reason to Ralph Nader's run in 2000.

So, would such a great legacy why would Democrats even consider restoring the House of Clinton?



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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 6)

We lost both Houses of Congress and so many state offices because Bill Clinton was political novice.

What history teaches us is that if Obama is our nominee and miraculously wins the election, we can expect a repeat of 1994 and another "Republican Revolution."


by alvic63 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:21:17 PM EST

Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

and as President, the only recent one with as little experience as Obama was Jimmy Carter, with 4 years as governor, even more of a novice. We can expect malaise in the next 4 years if we elect him, not to mention 12 years of GOP Presidential landslides


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:27:03 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (1.50 / 2)

Both Carter and Clinton were moderates.

What is wrong with being liberal in America?

You know, like FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:32:41 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

because they don't get elected. the same reason from FDR to the end of LBJ, there were no conservatives.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:38:48 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

JFK was more of a moderate, so was Truman.


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:39:48 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

Truman?  A liberal?  JFK? a liberal?  McGovern was a liberal.


by MidwestTracker on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:47:43 PM EST
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Truman referred to Henry Wallace's followers (none / 0)

as crackpots.  He didn't care much for Adlai Stevenson either.  Do you care to guess how he would feel about the Kossaks of today?


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:58:43 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

Kennedy was arguable to the right of Clinton. Certainly on tax and foreign policy.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:09:39 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

I don't necessarily agree with this opinion, but I don't see why it was TR'd.


by mefck on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:35:22 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

We lost because of the house banking scandal!


by LDFan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:32:24 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 5)

Um, Hillary is a Rodham by blood, which is what dynasty is about.  Chelsea Victoria Clinton is a Clinton, and if she decides to run for President in 2032 or 2036, then we can talk about a Restoration.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:24:37 PM EST

Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (1.33 / 3)

Parsing


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:30:52 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

Correcting an incorrect statement is not 'parsing'.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:53:56 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

Again, I don't agree with this, but that is not a reason to TR something.


by mefck on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:36:27 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

but lets be real, this is just bs rants and hatred. it is completely deserving of troll rating


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 5)

How about the greatest economy in US history, and a surplus?


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:25:30 PM EST

Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (1.00 / 4)

BUBBLE ECONOMY


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:28:47 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 10)

why? well here's why:

electoral votes:
1968-191
1972-17
1976-297
1980-49
1984-13
1988-112
---------
1992-370
1996-379
2000-267(292 with Florida)
2004-252

maybe you should look deeper than just the surface of things.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:25:55 PM EST

Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (1.50 / 2)

The Defense of Marriage Act, allowing states to refuse recognition of certain same-sex marriages, and defined marriage as between a male and female for purposes of federal law.

The Telecom Reform Act, eliminating major ownership restrictions for radio and television groups.

The Iraq Liberation Act, stating of policy of regime change in Iraq.

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, promising to "end welfare as we know it" but tinged with misogyny and racism (welfare queen) in its promotion.

The "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, discriminating against homosexuals in the military.

The North American Free Trade Agreement.

China Most Favored Nation trade agreement


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:30:19 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (1.88 / 9)

DOMA-had veto proof majorities http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_c all_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congres s=104&session=2&vote=00280 and it was an election year, vetoing would hurt the dems worse

Telecom Act-again veto proof
http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_c all_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congres s=104&session=2&vote=00008

Iraq Liberation Act-he kept saddam contained which is exactly why he never got to have WMDs, thanks to Clinton's containment

Welfare reform was badly needed because welfare is what beat us in 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988. now, welfare is no longer an issue

DADT was the best he could get, he wanted to lift the ban, but almost EVERYONE in the military was against it, and the Democrat Congress was even against it, and gonna pass legislation to keep gays banned

NAFTA, while not perfect, helped out party with fundraising and money because the corporations wanted it, and now they'd finally give to us, and in the reality of our world, corporations run everything. better them with us than against us.

China, you have to trade with, or the rest of the world makes money and you get left out.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:36:52 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

NAFTA, while not perfect, helped out party with fundraising and money because the corporations wanted it, and now they'd finally give to us, and in the reality of our world, corporations run everything. better them with us than against us.

F*ck that shit.  Honestly.  This attitude is a huge problem and the very reason that many are against the Clintons and their Republican-lite BS.


by Cycloptichorn on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:24:00 PM EST
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And let's put that 297 of 1976 in perspective (2.00 / 0)

A southern pride moment where every southern state except for VA voted for him

Immediately post-Watergate against an unelected president viewed as a historical fluke.

Carter still barely won.


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:01:08 PM EST
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Re: And let's put that 297 of 1976 in perspective (2.00 / 2)

Funny thing about Carter is that many Obama supporters on here use the debacle of 94 as a reason to dislike Clinton but the loooove Carter who gave us Reagan and kept us shut out of the White House for twelve years.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:43:15 PM EST
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Your observation is very astute and well said (2.00 / 0)

I guess that's why you're the mayor!


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:49:33 PM EST
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Yes, and if you count the 2 Senate elections, (2.00 / 0)

1978 and 1980, that occured while Carter was president, the Senate losses were about as bad, or maybe even worse, than 1994.  One thing that aggravated the 1994 defeats were party switchers in the House and Senate following the 1994 election.  You have to give the GOP credit for something. They have fewer disloyal political opportunists in their party than the Democrats.  Chafee would have won if he party switched.  Even Jeffers would only switch to Independent.


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:54:31 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 6)

8 years of peace and prosperity.


by LakersFan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:31:54 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (1.00 / 2)

followed by what?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:35:12 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 5)

because Bill Clinton handpicked GW Bush? its not his fault Gore ran an abysmal campaign


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:37:14 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (1.83 / 6)

let's not forget who ran Gore's abysmal campaign: Donna Brazile...who is now supporting: Obama!!

yeah a trillion dollar surplus is such a baaaad thing!! No wonder I call these Obama supporters a cult.


by tarheel74 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:42:20 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (1.00 / 3)

Clinton was a disappointment


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:45:01 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

Bush


by Chelsea in 2020 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:37:47 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

why?


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:45:14 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

because of Gore's non message campaign, lack of charisma, running mate with lack of charisma, and Bush STEALING the election. He absolutely failed to define his opponent.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:47:52 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 4)

The theft of the White House and 8 years of demagogary and delusion.  Kinda like you're exhibiting here.

Where have you been?  But if you need proof of what Bill Clinton who is not running for office of the President of the United States, here it is:

>> The largest deficit reduction plan in history.

>> Came into office with an almost $300 Billion dollar deficit, and left with a surplus of almost $170 Billion.

>> Created over 21 million new jobs.

>> Signed the Brady Bill into law.

>> Signed the Family Medical Leave Act into Law.

>> Expanded the Earned Income Credit to 15 million working families

>> The Direct Student Loan program...which loaned money directly from the Governemnt for college.  As well as expanded the Pell and Work Study grant programs.

>> President Clinton brough 22 countries that were former Soviet Union states to closer and now into NATO, to give us and Europe better security.

>> Enacted the Assault Weapons Ban.

>> Put over 100,000 new police officers on the street through his crime bill.

>> Fully funded WIC.

>> Largest poverty rate drop for children since the 1960's.

These are just a few of the things that President Clinton did while in office.  I suggest you stay trolling over at the freeper if you think that Bill Clinton didn't do anything.  You're better off just making vague accusations and inuendo...don't ask for facts.  They don't appear to be your friend...Friend.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:52:35 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

Daily Kos would actually be a better place for this


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:53:30 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

Wow, you are on a tear today against the Clintons.

This is one of those cases where nothing they do will please you, and you can't see the forest for the trees, so whatever. Feel free to take your ball and go home.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:56:06 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

A mild recession that didn't last long at all. Expansions don't last forever. Just like the longest winning streak in sports will inevitably be followed by a loss.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:44:10 PM EST
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Re: Restore of the House of Clinton? (1.90 / 10)

Everyone needs to know that this is what is neccessary to be a BO supporter.  You have to try to demean and smear Bill Clinton so the great BO, whose accomplishments are limited, is pushed foward.  The fact that traditional hard core dems think Bill Clinton is an Icon doesnt matter.  Bill Clinton must be destroyed so Barak (i havent done much) can take his place.

Did you not see the poll showing BC will 87% approval amrong dems.  But that doesnt matter all that matters is replacing the clinton's with the BO crowd.  Really sad.  But i guess when you support a guy who spent 20 years with a nutjob anti-white anti-american pastor you have to demean everyone else to move ahead.

Since we are doing the smear Bill Clinton again i think it is ok for me to present my opinion of BO.  He is a smart guy but a classic person who is alway trying to cut in line in front of everyone else.  That is ok but the sad thing is he thinks cutting in line is ok.

david


by giusd on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:33:04 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

I didn't realize that Bill was running for office.

Hillary is not Bill. Besides that little point, this is not 1992. We are dealing with completely different circumstances than what Bill was dealing with.

I appreciate the presidency of Bill Clinton. He'll always be one of my political heroes.

But arguing that because times were good then then they will be with another Clinton is intellectually dishonest.

Also, we lost Congress while he was in office, not after.


by PSUdan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:38:45 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 3)

You know andre, whenever I read diaries like this that dismiss the accomplishments of the Clinton I years, I wonder whether the author actually remembers the political climate of the era.  I lived in DC during much of Bubba's tenure.  The entire Republican Congressional delegation was duty bound to kill any Administration proposal on arrival without question, along with a good chunk of the pliant Democratic leadership.  The hostility to the President was unprecedented and quite successful.  Per the marching orders of the VRWC, which BTW Hillary Clinton correctly identified early on, the President was not to be permitted any legislative victories, period.

The few accomplishments you refer to were compromises to forstall much worse things from happening.  I remember, I was there and I was paying attention.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:38:54 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (1.00 / 2)

and that is why a Hillary Clinton administration would only be a repeat on those years


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:46:12 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (1.75 / 4)

hillary is going to get a BJ from Monica?

/snark


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:48:25 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

2008 is not 1992.  We are in a different universe today.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:48:28 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (1.50 / 4)

not necessarily, because Hillary knows everyone on Capitol Hill, they respect her more than Bill, the Clintons have better political skills, and the RW knows they can't beat the Clintons, so they will work with them.

Also, why would Barack Hussein Obama do so much better?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:49:51 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

I was kind of jazzed about Clinton in 1992.
As his time in office wore on, I grew ever more disappointed. There was 1994; there were the seemingly neverending self-inflicted wounds, the most notable and spectacular of which was Monica Lewinsky.
I got so pissed off at the damned Lewinsky thing. Yes, I know it was a ridiculous, trumped up bullshit thing and the Republicans are vicious thugs, but he could have steered clear of it if he had just kept his damned pants zipped.
Yeah, he did some good things and some so-so things and a few bad things. All in all, he was a pretty good administrator--aside from the sideshows--but I wouldn't say he's much more than that.
I'm not eager for a replay.
ооо
by Mumphrey on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:39:10 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

andre, why aren't you focusing on the REAL enemy, McCain?

why are you so determined to shit on the legacy of the last 2 term successful & POPULAR democratic president?

The last 2 termer since FDR, in fact?

there is a nice diary by an Obama supporter who is focusing his/her energies on the true Republican, McCain.


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:47:52 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 3)

this is possibly the biggest troll spam diary I have ever seen. but its almost as fun to refute this bullshit just as I bet Andre X has fun saying stupid shit and pissing people off. he also feels good putting someone down.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:51:14 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 4)

Thank you Andre for your eye-opening diary.

You are right, Bill Clinton was a lying, philandering prick.

But he is also a political genius, the only Democratic candidate for president who ACTUALLY F*ING WON (TWICE!!), who left office with soaring approval ratings, and who paved the way for even more progressive issues/legislation/candidates to be considered legit and reasonable all across the nation.

BILL CLINTON IS THE UNITY CANDIDATE THAT BARACK OBAMA WISHES HE WAS. Remember the brigde to the 21st century? Bill Clinton is the only Dem since JFK who was able to convince white/ rural/ poor/ uneducated/ voters to switch to our party and accept our ideas. Blasting him defeats the purpose of his legacy and only hurts our candidates (BOTH of them, our party, and more significantly, our COMMON BELIEFS.

Please stop with these diaries, they are repulsive. Even Obama would agree with me on that.

Andre, if you are a true Democrat, you should be ashamed of yourself.


by Misty Mountain Maggie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:53:20 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 7)

Yes Please - restore the House of Clinton(s).

I made 30% more than I'm making today.

Under Clinton, he oversaw the most prosperous growth in recent economic history.

My 401K was the best it ever was when he was President.

My condo, which was destroyed in the NOrthridge Earthquake was fixed fairly quickly due to FEMA's quick response.

Crime rate was the lowest in decades (10,000 cops on the street).

He put through the Family and Medical Leave Act so YOU could take time off to care for YOUR kids or PARENTS without fear of losing your job.

Passed the Brady Bill.

Only Democrat since FDR to be elected to 2 terms in office.

I say BRING ON HILLARY!!! As fast you CAN.


by nikkid on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:01:44 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 4)

Also, I'd like to add that what Andre X is doing here to Bill Clinton is what Jerimiah Wright just did to Barack Obama: Trashing a moderate candidate without thinking about the bigger picture, which of course is BRINGING ABOUT CHANGE.

You are obviously more radically left than Bill. Without thinking about the bigger picture (which is that the positions of the Clinton Admin were, at the very least, a move in the right direction) you selfishly chose to focus in on more radical positions you WISH the Clinton Admin would have taken.

Likewise, Wright is more radically left than Obama. And without thinking about the bigger picture (which is that electing Barack would be at the very least a move in the right direction) Wright selfishly chose to focus in on more radical positions he WISHES Obama would address.

Change doesn't happen over night, and if it weren't for the Clinton Admin our country would be much, much, much worse off and many of our candidates would have never even been considered. Obama and Hillary both included.  


by Misty Mountain Maggie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:03:02 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

Andre X doesn't seem to care about anything but that Sen. Obama is AA. He accuses other AA folks of being traitors to their race if they do not support his candidate.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:32:16 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

hahaaaa. this a joke right?? man the only thing worse than this single minded thinking is it being aimed at the ONLY successful dem pres. in 30+ years. Man o man have you sunk to a new low.

You have no other dem president to compare to in the past 3 decades, how would anyone be able to attest there has been a better one with modern day terms?? Is he better than president Gore? oh wait...Is he better than president Kerry? oh wait....yes cause he actually GOT elected, twice.

Honestly, you bashing Bill doesn't help Democrats, it hurts them. HURTS.He sure as hell is better than Bush and if you dont think so, you might as well change parties cause you're a lost cause...


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:20:13 PM EST

Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

actually, he DOES have a Dem in the last 3 decades, his name was Jimmy Carter. BUT OH YEA, he kind of was a complete disaster. The 12 years of GOP Presidents he gave us were worse malaise than his presidency itself


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:22:57 PM EST
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Re: Restore the House of Clinton? (none / 0)

fine 27 years (counting from the end of his term in '81). technicality.

touche.


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 06:44:30 PM EST


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